Swmbo has decreed that we are to replace our kitchen with one from IKEA (in fairness they do look nice and don't think I could make one for cheaper once I've factored in time off work)
I've read that unlike most they don't have a service void behind, has anyone fitted one like this and has it caused any difficulties? Mostly wondering about the waste pipes from dishwasher and washing machine which won't be adj to the sink, if they run underneath will there be enough of a gradient?
Once I convinced them that I was “Trade”, they amazed me with the discount off listed price in catalogue - it was something like 70% OFF!
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Just carefully use hole cutters for the pipework, and as the external brown pipe is usually installed at a minimum fall of 1 in 80, so just give it 1 in 80, or a good slope inside the cabintry, it will look good when fitted nice and tidy.
There not bad kitchens as flat packs go, but be warned they have a habit of not sending all bit out, and it takes week to get the missing bits.
I've fitted a few ikea kitchens. They're OK , hinges are usually Blum but in general you get what you pay for they're cheap.
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When I had the chippy round to fit our worktops (this was pre manning up to woodworking), he said that the wickes one we had was good quality but Ikea are good too, the only thing you need to do is order the deeper worktop so you can create the service void and hide the pipework behind the cabinets.
Blackrodd:7wymt379 said: Just carefully use hole cutters for the pipework, and as the external brown pipe is usually installed at a minimum fall of 1 in 80, so just give it 1 in 80, or a good slope inside the cabintry, it will look good when fitted nice and tidy. Rodders Click to expand... As Blackrod says, inside the cabinetry - which may at times be annoying. It's not just the waste of space, it is also that if you also use that cabinet to store things you must be careful not to displace the pipes.
As a side note, I would label IKEA's kitchens as plain utilitarian - meaning they are not intended to look like luxury items, which they are not, they do the job they are intended for, no less, no more. That said, in 2010 I have outfitted two kitchens with them, both are still fine. One of them (the one with the wooden tops) is used only about three months in the year as a summer residence, the other one has been in everyday use (permanent residence) for three years with no problem.
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Incidentally, I do not recommend the laminated wooden countertops - they must be oiled beforehand, they require care in use (no spilling of cleansing hemicals or boiling water, please...) and periodical maintenance, and at least in ours the individual slabs seem to have cupped somewhat, as the tops feels distinctly wavy when one rubs his hand over them.
Thanks for the replies. Although the suggestions of other places to source the kitchen may be good ones, once the light of my life has made her mind up it's far easier to accept it and move on, so ikea it is.
I think running the pipes inside will work, as they will go through a corner cabinet with the pull-out gubbins so will prob have a bit of dead space at the back anyway. (And the ikea cabs are deeper than normal anyway b precisely because of the lack of the void). Pulling them forward to create a void would work too, but the kitchen is small and narrow and don't want the worktops to be any wider.
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I bought some Ikea cabinets a few years ago. When I wanted another to match, they had discontinued that range so we had to build one from scratch.
No probs with IKEA kitchen recently installed (mostly by Doug). If you are desperate to hide pipes they can go under (if there's enough gradient) or you could fit back panels in your own routered slots. But the extra space is worth having on the useful side rather than having an empty void. If in the cupboard the pipes are out of sight, at the back, low down in the part most difficult to reach, so don't get in the way of anything much
Cheaper than Howdens and non of that 70% off dubious bo88locks, the price was exactly as per catalogue. We got fed up with special offers from Howdens and a lot of their kit gets bad reviews.
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Yes you can still get Formica it never went away. We did our own tops from 5' x 12' 18mm ply (doubled up around the edges) plus Formica. Cheaper than most of the alternatives and a good deal of design freedom
For the money I think Ikea are great value. If you don't buy the handles or worktops from Ikea most people would never know where it came from. Saying that the worktops are great value.
If you buy an Ikea sink, you will have to buy the waste kit just for the rectangular overflow and throw the rest away, as you will discover.
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I've fitted a few Ikea kitchens, I got the customer to get everything, usually had to go back a few times and change parts etc.
I think we had to bring the back panel in a bit to get pipes hidden behind. Usually got worktops from somewhere else.
Shed9:1uekddoi said: Max Power:1uekddoi said: IKEA the Ratners of the kitchen trade Click to expand... How is that a relevant analogy? Did I miss something in regards to Ikea's business strategy? Click to expand...
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Well that's another good thing about Ikea, their returns policy is great, never had any issues. Unlike B and Q who's kitchen designers (!) try and sell you loads of bits you don't need/I took a week off work once the room was all plumbed, rewired, and the new subfloor in, and spent most of that putting in the slate. Once that was done, everything was ready for the exciting bit, actually fitting the kitchen.
Jennie and had I decided on an IKEA kitchen, for several reasons, but it really boiled down to this – they had several styles that we liked, at a good price, and there was no need to haggle.
By now, we were well aquainted with IKEA’s planning tool, having tweaked and refined the design over a few months at home. We’d made a visit to IKEA to have them look over it and suggest things, then done some more tweaking at home before a final visit when we went over it all, checking every part was right and available and would fit. We picked two dates, the first three weeks ahead, for the unit bodies to arrive, and then a week later the fronts. Once everything had been carefully transferred into the ordering system, and triple checked, we went down to the tills armed with a £2400 wedge of paper for them to scan.
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That price doesn’t include the worktop or appliances, and it’s a quite a long time now since we got quotes from other places, but we went through the process with some big DIY chains and kitchen companies, and the like for like quotes we got for were generally three times as much. That’s a starting point and you need to haggle, but I much prefered not having to do that.
The day came, and on that wet winter morning, two guys turned up with a van full of our cupboards; they brought everything up to our flat, and we stuck it all behind the sofa, as we checked everything off. I have now managed to forget the part number for METOD 60cm wall cabinets, but it’s taken a while.
METOD is IKEA’s system for kitchens, and I really rate it. It has some downsides, all relating to the base units, but we knew about them up front so were able to work around them. It’s designed to maximise the storage space in the units, rather than make life easy for a tradesman to install things– there’s no service void at the back, and the space underneath is limited to 8cm rather than the more usual 15cm, at least if you go for the standard worktop height of 91cm. To me, getting an extra 7cm of usable height and a similar amount of extra depth in every base unit is well worth a bit of careful planning while fitting it.
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Since the kitchen had never been plumbed and wired as a kitchen before, we had a blank slate here, so we had the plumbers make sure all the pipes were within the walls, and where they couldn’t be, or where they came out, they stayed less than 8cm proud of the floor. That meant that the downsides I mentioned above were neatly worked around.
METOD cabinets can be mounted to a heavy duty steel rail
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